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2B Bolder Podcast – Episode 12
Featuring Dr. Tabitha Becker

Episode Title: #12 Career Podcast Featuring Dr. Tabitha Becker – Women in Business

Host: Mary Killelea
Guest: Dr. Tabitha Becker



Mary Killelea (Host): Hi there, my name is Mary Killelea. Welcome to the To Be Bolder podcast, providing career insights for the next generation of women in business and tech. To Be Bolder was created out of my love for technology and marketing, my desire to bring together like-minded women, and my hope to be a great role model and source of inspiration for my two girls and other young women like you. Encouraging you guys to show up and to be bolder and to know that anything you guys dream of, it's totally possible. On To Be Bolder, you're going to hear inspiring stories of how successful women, some I know, some I just want to bring to you guys, and they're going to talk about their careers in business and tech, and they're going to tell us their stories about their passion and their journey and their challenges, and we're going to learn some of their advice along the way too. So sit back, relax, and enjoy the conversation.

Today is going to be a great show. Today's guest is the founder and managing partner of 360 Pediatric Psychology in Lake Oswego, Oregon. Dr. Tabitha Becker is a licensed clinical psychologist who specializes in cognitive neurodevelopment and neuropsychology assessment, as well as pediatric medical psychology. She has an extensive and impressive resume, received numerous grants and awards, has a depth of research experience, and is currently an active member in several leading professional organizations, including the American Academy of Pediatrics and the American Academy of Pediatric Neuropsychology, just to mention a few. Dr. Becker, thank you for being on the show today.

Dr. Tabitha Becker (Guest): Well, thank you for inviting me, Mary. I'm really impressed with what you're doing. It's amazing. I'm all about supporting young women in finding a successful career and following their passion and building self-confidence so that they can overcome any barriers that they may have and achieve their dreams.

Mary Killelea: That is wonderful. Thank you so much. So let's start by having you tell us about your business and the services you provide and kind of who you focus on for your patients.

Dr. Tabitha Becker: Well, I specialize in working with children, teens, and young adults who struggle with ADHD or learning disorders, anxiety or depression. And so basically what I do is I provide evaluations to help diagnose children who are struggling in school or have behavioral problems and just in general are not getting along very well in life. And basically I test these children and find their strengths and weaknesses through the testing that I do. And we're able to build on those strengths in order to kind of bolster those areas of weaknesses and basically get them on their way. I work with children from the age of four through the age of 25, actually. I like to hang on to my patients until they get through college and are making some of those very important pivotal decisions that will affect them for the rest of their lives.

Mary Killelea: So that's awesome. So there's different ways to support people. There are, you know, life coaches, professional therapists, psychologists, psychiatrists. How did you know you wanted to become a licensed clinical psychologist?

Dr. Tabitha Becker: Well, it's kind of a long story. Hopefully you have some time.

Mary Killelea: Absolutely.

Dr. Tabitha Becker: Basically it started in childhood and I was the last of five children. My father was an Episcopal priest in Tigard, Oregon, which is now kind of a thriving community. Back then in the early 60s, it was very much of a farm town. And his church was very much kind of a community center. And literally everywhere we would go, we would run into people who were wanting to talk with my father, pull him aside, talk with him about their problems. And we had a running joke that I was, you know, sworn to confidentiality starting from the age of five or six, so that I would not see this very confidential information that they were sharing with my father. And so just being the last child of five, I spent a lot of time with my father on my own while my mother was busy with the four older children. And I witnessed the power of not only just conversation, but relationship and just listening to people and helping them to overcome some of the problems that they were having and to help heal them.

And that really, I think it was deeply ingrained into me as I grew older. I, you know, went to Pacific University in college for my undergrad and actually had struggled in school quite a bit, starting in my junior high years and through high school. I really struggled with my grades and couldn't understand why high functioning family did well in ballet. I won scholarships in the San Francisco Ballet every summer and all those types of things. But for some reason, I could not for the life of me really learn math. Math was a real problem for me and reading had been a problem for me since first grade. And I really struggled until about my junior year at Pacific University and had switched majors probably four times because things would become too hard. I'd reach a ceiling and realize that, oh my gosh, I can't do this. And so finally I ended up with a communications major. And at that time I decided that, gosh, there was a psychologist that taught one of our classes interpersonal relations. And I fell in love with that whole just kind of idea about interpersonal communications and how we interact and all of that. I ended up graduating from Pacific with a degree in non-broadcast telecommunications.

So I thought, gosh, what am I going to do? I need to make money. My life circumstances were such that I needed to support myself. And so I went into advertising, PR and advertising, and ended up having an incredible career in actually was advertising, not so much PR. And I really, really enjoyed that, but felt that there was something missing for me. And I think it was that people helping element that I was really missing that I had grown up with. And actually my clients ended up being good friends of mine. And I found that they were confiding in me and I was using that confidentiality rule that I learned in my youth. And at one point I had like 26 clients that were all confiding in me. And my boss was joking with me at one of the agencies. He was calling them my patients. So that continued on. And eventually I was hired to be in the internal marketing department in the consumer division for one of my largest clients. I was assigned to I was a strategic communications manager. So I helped develop ad campaign messaging. So, as a part of that psychographic research became a large part of what I did. I worked with a statistician at this large corporation and we developed questionnaires and did a lot of research into how people think and how they make decisions and why they make decisions within those certain target markets. And I literally fell in love with that.

I was pregnant with my third child and I thought if I could ever somehow convert this love of psychographic research and, you know, and helping people together, if I could marry those two, I would love to be able to do that someday. And so as soon as my, and I just thought I think I want to be a psychologist at some point. I didn't know when or how especially being pregnant with my third child. And so after, I guess I was about 30 weeks into my pregnancy and decided that I needed to stay home. I was put on bed rest and I decided to stay home with my children and basically be a full-time mom, but go ahead and volunteer in their schools. And so I was in their schools three days per week, and I opted to work with children one-on-one who were having problems with learning. And I just found it fascinating that as I worked with these children, just with a little bit of positive reinforcement and a lot of encouragement and reward for success, I just saw them bloom right in front of my eyes. And it was the most amazing feeling. And it was almost like I just fell in love with this whole process. And so it was really at that point that I knew that I wanted to be a psychologist and I wanted to help children who were struggling in school and in life in general.

Mary Killelea: Thank you for sharing that. That really was interesting. And I'm glad that you, you know, told us the whole story because it really does show that evolution of how you started out and where you ended up. So, you make this big decision to become a doctor. I've got to guess or imagine that, okay, you have to assess financially what that's going to take looking at going back to school when you have children, the impact on your personal life. What advice do you tell someone who was weighing in all the options to go down this road that you went down?

Dr. Tabitha Becker: Sure. Well, I think if there's a will, there's definitely a way. And I think you do have to take a look at, okay, what are, what are the earning opportunities once you graduate? You have to be realistic. And what is my position in life? Am I the main breadwinner and do I have five dependents or is my income supplemental in comparison to say maybe my partner's income? Ot do I have small children at home and do they need me more than I need to go to school right now? And I have to say that's a very, difficult decision. And once one that I shied away from several times, I actually, we had a big surprise, all of a sudden we were expecting a fourth child, who was my third daughter. I thought after she was born, I thought, you know, I'm going to check into the prerequisites and just see what it would take, see what I've already done that might work toward a degree in counseling. I just thought a master's level counseling position would be totally fine with me, especially now with four children. And so I talked with Pacific University, they had an incredible program, Downtown Portland. And it turned out I was just one course shy of being able to be accepted into the program. And that was statistics. And so I ended up buying a statistics for dummies book and studying it while my newborn slept. And I taught myself statistics, and they said, if you can pass our challenge exam, then we will gladly admit you into our program. So I took it, I passed with flying colors, and I was in. And so literally, I thought, okay, this is crazy. I felt literally like I was being crazy, but I knew that I was not going to be able to be a stay at home mom for the rest of my life. Even though I have four children, I knew that it was really important for me to have balance in my life, because I had been raised with balance. I'd been raised to have focus on others, not just on myself. And I just felt that in order for me to be healthy, that I wanted to continue to work and how is that going to look moving forward. And I didn't want to go back down the path, even though I love marketing and advertising. I didn't want to go back down that path of feeling like there was something missing. And so I decided Pacific had this night program, I could take as long as I wanted to get that degree, I could take one or two courses at a time. I literally had two hours and I needed to rush home and nurse Hannah, our youngest daughter. And so just kind of worked on that. I did my homework at night.

So, in terms of finances, there's a multitude of resources available, and especially for women, married women, women with children. I was not given any grants, I didn't apply for grants, although I'm sure that you possibly could. But what I did do is I took out FAFSA government subsidized loans. And that helped our family immensely just in terms of not cutting into the cash flow, because I knew I had the self confidence that once I graduated, that I would be able to earn an income and be able to help pay that back. But my main concern at the time was my family and my children, and being able to be there and provide for them. So, so it's very much of a slow start, I got about a year and a half into that program, and felt that there's something missing for me. And my father, you know, being an Episcopal priest, and just watching how he worked with people, I realized that spirituality, and I don't care if it's Buddhism or Hinduism, whatever, it plays such an important role in the way which a person thinks it forms a framework for a person's outlook on life. And it's also a protective factor in some ways, depending on the beliefs and where you come from.

And so I felt that the Pacific program was excellent, but they're very much of a secular program. And I wanted the tools to be able to help a person use their spirituality or to be able to pull from their spirituality as a protective factor or a tool for them to be able to overcome obstacles in their lives. And so I did some research and applied to George Fox University. I had heard that they had an excellent program that was integrated quite well. And so, I was accepted in their master's program, but they recommended that just with what I wanted to do, they felt that I should go on and receive my doctorate. I should work toward my doctorate versus a master's. And of course, that seemed like that was insurmountable, and I was really worried about the financial decision there. And so basically, again, I applied for a FAFSA or through a FAFSA and was given everything I needed basically in order to fulfill my financial obligations for the doctoral program at George Fox.

And once again, there's a little bit of a hitch. I was diagnosed with breast cancer at that point and went through some fairly rigorous treatment for about the next year and a half. And I felt blessed because the program at George Fox held my acceptance for me. And maintained my PGRRE, the graduate board exams basically, and maintained those scores for me and literally checked in about once every three months. They let me know that they're praying for me and that, you know, they hope that I would be able to return to the program at some point. And that they would definitely hold my acceptance. So that went on for about three years, and I went back and felt that, gosh, this is insurmountable. This is huge. I have four small children. It's costing us a lot of money. I shouldn't do this. So I quit and just felt like there was such a void and such a hole that I don't even feel that I was as good of a mother during that time frame because I felt like, again, there was something very much missing from my life, even though I was totally available for my children.

So about five years came up and the director of the program said, okay, now or you got to cut bait, one or the other. And I had a long talk with Pat and the kids and everybody voted go for it. And so I went back with their full support, which, you know, was extremely hard. But George Fox allowed me to basically do the doctoral program part time. And so I went to classes during the daytime when the kids were in school. And I was home when they were home and I wrote my papers while they're at swim practice. I'd literally sit in the pool, the balcony overlooking the pool and write my papers sweating. And so it wasn't easy, but I was able to maintain a balance there between the family and my schoolwork and going to classes. And so it all came together, but every step of the way, there was a decision because I firmly believed and I still believe that you really have to keep in mind what's important in your life. What are the most important things in your life? And for me, those things are family number one. Number two would be spirituality and health. Health is so important. So, you can be available for others, right? And just keeping all of those things in mind and then also balancing the need to go ahead and succeed and follow through. it is a huge commitment and it's a huge decision.

Mary Killelea: That is such a beautiful story and such an amazing example of what exactly you said, where there is a will, there's a way. So, I've known you for years and I don't think I've known all the elements of that story. So that was great to hear. And I'm glad to hear that your family encouraged you and supported you because I know you're an amazing doctor and I'm sure you're helping many kids. I am touched by that.

Dr. Tabitha Becker: It's definitely been rewarding, honestly, in a lot of ways that impacted our family in very positive ways. One thing that we didn't expect was for me to have to go away for internship for one year. And so when I went away for that one year, our biggest fear is that our family would be disengaged or and it ended up having the exact opposite effect where we actually grew much closer that year. I was lucky to be placed down in Southern California in Orange County and at the Children's Hospital down there and it afforded our family the opportunity to be together and to experience a whole new place together, knowing that it would end in a year. And I think not only was that kind of a silver lining and worth the effort, if everything else fell away, I feel like that was worth it in and of itself. And just the fact that our family is so close and that that was a unique experience that we wouldn't have otherwise had in any other way. And then also just being able to help children, watching them become unstuck, if you will, is just the most amazing thing. So, yeah, so anyhow, yes, it was all worth it. It was hard and definitely when you hear about grit, that's what it takes. Grit, commitment, and will, for sure.

Mary Killelea: I love it. So then how did you decide that you wanted to open up your own practice versus going and joining someone else's?

Dr. Tabitha Becker: Yeah, so basically I worked in children's hospitals all throughout my training at OHSU. And while I was at OHSU, I also worked in a private practice just to kind of get a feeling for what that was like. And I really enjoyed that. I thought it was nice. It afforded more flexibility, not only in the types of treatments that I wanted to do, but to be able to maybe delve deeper into therapeutic techniques and in training that's super important. But also, let's see, then I went from OHSU and Sunstrom Clinical Services. Then I went to Children's Hospital of Orange County. And I did therapy as well as neuropsych and neurodevelopmental testing there, both inpatient in the hospital for medical chronically ill children, basically. And then I did therapy as well in an outpatient clinic. And I fell in love with kind of that clinical environment. And I had a very influential supervisor who suggested to me that I consider private practice. She just said that, you know, not only is there more flexibility, it's nice not having, you know, a supervisor, a boss, you know, telling you what to do or, you know, driving you with, you know, how many hours you need to put in or having to earn paid time off or all these things that you can run your own life and that you have more flexibility in terms of your off hours as well, because you can schedule basically around your activities so that you can go on family vacations and do those things. And so that was attractive to me.

So, I ended my internship down in Orange County, came back and did my postdoctoral work at Providence Neurodevelopmental Center for Children. And while I was there, I had a supervisor who was absolutely amazing. She's a national expert in autism. And it was wonderful. It was a wonderful experience. And Providence is a delightful place to work. I love the culture there. But I felt like, okay, we had a year to a year and a half wait list for some of our patients to be able to get in to see us. And that was also the case at OHSU. And I just felt like, gosh, if I work there, they offered me a job. But if I work there, then I become part of that year to year and a half wait for these families who are trying to get in and who are desperate to have their children tested. And so I talked with one of my colleagues, Dr. Doty, and she was just coming back from postdoc as well. And we both agreed, we both had children with ADHD and learning disorders, and felt that the accessibility factor for families is so frustrating. Just trying to be able to get your child in just to be diagnosed can take a year to a year and a half. And then that's where the story begins for so many families. Then the work starts. They need to find a dyslexia specialist, or they need to find a therapist who can help them with their child's behavior, those types of things.

So we had this idea that why don't we open up a clinic that would provide those same services that are offered in the children's hospitals, but be more accessible so that families can get in quicker, and maybe even be more thorough so that if there's still a lingering question, we have that flexibility, we can answer that question because we can test all we want. Then we would not be limited by what the hospitals are telling us our protocols are based on what the referral question. So that's basically, in a nutshell, why I decided to go ahead and go into private practice. Number one, it was mostly for the flexibility, but also because it increased accessibility for families to be able to have their children diagnosed in a much faster and more thorough fashion.

Mary Killelea: Makes sense. So, before COVID-19 and we all had to shelter in, what does a typical day look like for you running your practice as well as seeing your patients?

Dr. Tabitha Becker: Coffee is number one. There's always time for that in the morning. And we get in and get into the office and review our day basically and prepare for our first patient. And so that might look like setting up a test or setting up an intake interview for a family. We always start out testing with diagnostic interviews so we learn about the child's medical history, their educational history, their developmental history, everything about them, you know, their family history. And then we decide on the appropriateness of the different tests that we'll be using. And then at that point, we go ahead and set up the tests. We use computer technology in administering our tests. So a lot of it is downloading the tests that we'll be using. We take breaks and then the children come in. Their parents wait out in the waiting area. And a lot of children find it to be a lot like playing games, like video games almost, but a little more challenging. And so, we take lots of breaks. We have lunch and then I typically see one other patient and then score up those tests and start writing the report basically that they'll end up with. And they'll end up with about a 10 to 20 page report by the time we're done with testing. And then after that, we just finish up our documentation and for what happened during the daytime and, you know, button things up and we're done with our day.

Mary Killelea: What has been your biggest career challenge that you've experienced?

TB: Really, I would say learning the business of running a practice. I had no idea because they tell you about it in graduate school, but they don't teach you about the financial aspects and taxes and all of those sorts of things. And so, the learning curve was very steep. Now, the marketing side, I have to say it was easy and I absolutely loved it. And when we opened our practice, we were hit broadside. We were busy from day one and it was because of the kind of the pre-launch that we did with our marketing and advertising. And then we continued on with in-person visits to the various practices throughout the community. But what we weren't prepared for was how to run a business, especially with a full clinical load right off the bat. And so, I think we learned as we went. Luckily, we had kind of a pseudo board that we put together of prominent business people and one of which is a CPA, one's a money manager, who happens to be my husband. And then one owns a large real estate company, and another one owns a large food company. And we literally held quarterly meetings to be able to talk about our challenges and how to overcome those and really drawing from other people's experience. And it was just priceless for us in terms of navigating some of these harder areas of running a practice.

And also, I would also say that we brought in a lot of clinicians. We were up to probably six clinicians at one point. And there were various challenges that came along with that as well as having an office manager and trying to meet the needs of the clinicians as well as the office manager was something that we were not trained in at all. And so we very much enjoyed it. But when it came time to renew our lease, we decided, hey, we're both working 60 hours per week and we have kids at home, and this is not enjoyable at this point. So, we ended up deciding to scale back and just keep a small practice, keep it just the two of us. And that afforded us a lot more flexibility. And finally, I feel like after five years of running the practice, we finally hit our stride. Our organizational structure is absolutely perfect. And I think that we're quite happy, not only just in the services that we're providing, we feel good about our clinical services, but also just financially how we work with our clients. And now we also have that flexibility that we were shooting for in the first place when we went into the profession being able to schedule around our vacations and doing things like that and actually get away for a little bit. And so we've really hit a nice balance.

Mary Killelea: I absolutely love the idea. And it's the first time I've heard of it. When you talked about setting up your own pseudo board. I want to poke on that a bit. How did you, one, get the idea to do that? And two, what was the request out to those people? How did you entice them to participate?

Dr. Tabitha Becker: When I was in doctoral school, I was working on my dissertation, which was developing a program to reach out to underserved communities out towards the coast, the Oregon coast. And as part of that, we wanted to start a clinic where we could help the underserved communities around George Fox University. And I applied for grants and we were awarded a grant that helped us build a behavioral health clinic at George Fox. And so as part of that, we assigned a board and I was asked to be the president of the board. And an honor board, we’re a number of community experts as well as the foundation grantors. So it was such an amazing experience. And keep in mind, I was still in school. This was my last year of academic work and going off to internship and then doing my postdoc. But I was president of the board during this time and was able to participate and lead the board meetings all throughout the first three years of the clinic's establishment. And so, I just found such value in that I just thought we can't do this on our own. I feel that we should involve other people who are experts in this area because we definitely are not. We love doing our clinical work, seeing our patients and helping people. That's why we got into this. And if we could draw from others' experience who care about mental health and children and about our success and especially in the community that we went into, I just felt that it would be essential for us, honestly, to do that. So that's really where I got that idea.

Mary Killelea: That's fantastic. Did you find that people were eager to help?

Dr. Tabitha Becker: It's amazing. Basically all that we did is offer food. And, you know, and we provided a room down at the MAC club. We were able to rent a room at the MAC club and we sat around that table. I can't count how many times. And our CPA also joined us for a couple of those meetings. And it was pretty amazing. I just felt like it was this really unique collaboration of people from different industries with different ideas who just cared about the success of our clinic. And partly because, it's interesting. We did somewhat of an about face from our training. We went from really addressing the underserved through the children's hospitals and those communities to addressing the more affluent population that lives in Lake Oswego. So, we opened our practice in downtown Lake Oswego. And honestly, mostly because it was a better commute than the other areas of Portland for us.

And also we recognize that there's a huge need even in more affluent communities for children and mental health. And so, we partnered with a local pediatric office who actually accepted Oregon Health Plan. And we volunteered our services for the first three years to supervise doctoral students who train there. And anyhow, we were participating in Children's Health Alliance. And we really had a kind of a wide level of participation in the community. And I think that these people, one of them ia a CPA. She's now COO of, I think, the Knight Cancer Center up at OHSU, Irene Barheight. And so she just has invaluable experience in terms of financial management of clinics and medical care. And so her input for us was invaluable in terms of how we structured our finances. And then of course just from hiring clinicians, and we made some critical, pivotal decisions during those times. And I just, I'm super thankful. I don't know how we pulled that off, honestly. I don't know what it was that motivated them to be a part of this. Other than I think that I just think that people do have a will to help others. And when they see an opportunity where they can be a part of something that helps others, then what I found is that most people say yes, that they want to be a part of it. And so I think it's pretty incredible.

Yeah, I think we've seen that with COVID-19 as well, when you think about it, and how people pulled together and wanted to help and the mask making and reaching out and just everybody coming together to help each other. In my mind, it's just, I think it really speaks to that human spirit of wanting to help.

Mary Killelea: I completely agree with you. So, being a working mom, how do you manage work-life balance? I know you have now currently the luxury of structuring your day to day, but in more of the beginning, what tips do you have for people who are trying to do it all?

Dr. Tabitha Becker: Yeah. Well, number one, you have to give up perfection. Perfection. Nothing is perfect. And you have to get used to that. And basically forgive yourself. Just let those I have to do this, or I should be this way. Let that go because nothing is perfect. And honestly, in those moments of imperfection, I honestly feel is when the family comes together. And so I feel like also recognizing what's important. So, if there's a family member that needs you or a friend that needs you or if you're sick or anything else, there are other more important things in life than going to doctoral school or than your career. And that's a hard thing to get through. When you have such a significant passion for something, you don't want to give it up. And it can easily envelop your entire life. So self-care is critically important, not only for, say, when you're going to school, but also for when you're out of school and you're living your dream, so to speak. Burnout is a real thing. And you need to know how to take care of yourself. And so that applies when you're raising your family and trying to do it all. You have to have an outlet, something that feeds you, that feels good, whether it's a hobby or exercise, whatever it is, you have to have an outlet.

And also teaching your children independence, letting them do their own laundry, and letting them make their mistakes, and so that they learn from those mistakes. And so just stepping back a little bit and letting them learn how to take care of themselves. But being there to support, I mean, I'm not saying just step back and ignore them by any means, but letting them take a little bit more of a lead. And I feel like I was blessed with great children. I think all children are great children. I think that they have different barriers. And my first two had ADHD and dyslexia. So we had busy lives. We were off to the tutor a couple times a week. We were doing homework around the clock. And for me, I was tired. I would do my studying at night, or like I said, during their practices, things like that, or while they're at the tutor. But as long as you just keep moving forward and stop when you need to. When those more important things come up, you tell others, I'm sorry, this is important. I need a moment. And never ever was that ever once a problem for me in those moments. And then I was able to pick up again and move on. And so it's really kind of back to that how did you make that decision? It was hard. And, you know, it's just, it's an ongoing decision. 10 years is what it took me to get through that program and to earn my doctorate. And so all throughout those years, it was a really a day to day decision about, you know, how to get through this. But in the long run, I felt like it wasn't just me, it was my family that earned the doctorate.

Mary Killelea: That's such an inspiring story. So here's our last question. What is next for you? Where do you see yourself in five years?

Dr. Tabitha Becker: Well, in five years, I would definitely, I see some growth opportunities for practice, and maybe more toward a multidisciplinary aspect versus having many clinicians that do the same thing. Which is the road that we took originally. But possibly adding in some more innovative interventions. And so, broadening my perspectives in terms of therapeutic interventions and other disciplines into our practice. And so right now we're kind of just having conversations surrounding that. So, we may turn into more of a pediatric wellness center, but we'll see, you know, we never know. And so we're kind of looking at that.

Also, I've also had in the back of my mind since I started doctoral school that as I moved toward retirement, I would definitely like to get involved in advocacy for children, whether or not that is through lobbying with the government for children with special needs. Or also become more involved with the APA and helping students who are training to be psychologists and helping out with that experience in their trainings. So I think that as I step back from clinical work, that I'll probably be going more toward advocacy type work.

Mary Killelea: It has been such a joy to talk to you. Where can people learn more about your practice?

Dr. Tabitha Becker: We have a website. It's 360. So 360pedpsych.com. Or you can just Google 360 pediatric psychology. And we pop right up and we're in downtown Lake Oswego.

Mary Killelea: Thank you so much Tabitha for being a guest on the show. It really has been wonderful to talk to you and hear your story. You are a great example of inspiration, driven determination, and just having your priorities straight. And I compliment you and appreciate you sharing it.

Dr. Tabitha Becker: Well thank you very much. I appreciate the opportunity to share. It was very nice. Thank you.

Mary Killelea: Thanks for listening to the episode today. It was really fun chatting with my guest. If you liked our show, please like it and share it with your friends. If you want to learn what we're up to, please go check out our website at 2bbolder.com. That's the number two, little b, bolder.com.